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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Franz Liszt's female admirers would fight over his cigar stubs and coffee dregs as souvenirs?

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 21:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Franz Liszt's female admirers would fight over his cigar stubs and coffee dregs as souvenirs?

Source: "The behaviour of his audiences has been compared to the mass hysteria associated with revivalist meetings or 20th-century rock stars, and prompted Heine to identify the phenomenon as ‘Lisztomania’. Female admirers sought souvenirs in the form of hair clippings, cigar stubs and the dregs from his coffee cups." Eckhardt, Maria; Mueller, Rena Charnin; Walker, Alan (2001). "§8: The Glanzzeit, 1839–47". Liszt, Franz [Ferenc]. Grove Music Online. doi:10.1093/gmo/9781561592630.article.48265. ISBN 978-1-56159-263-0.

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Improved to Good Article status by Ligaturama (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Ligaturama (talk) 07:38, 12 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

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Excellent work! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 11:49, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ligaturama's picture removals

User:Ligaturama considers this Wiki article to be his own preschool sandbox or his own toy. Arbitrarily removes images related to article content.

The debated picture:

(Liszt's fundraising concert for the flood victims of Pest, where he was the conductor of the orchestra, Vigadó Concert Hall, Pest, Hungary, 1839) --Mandliners (talk) 13:49, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As you can see from my edit summary which explains this, the reasons I removed it were:

- It creates a MOS:SANDWICH issue. This article already has a lot of images, so any additions need to avoid layout problems.

- The image depicts an event that isn't mentioned in the article at all, which is contrary to MOS:PERTINENCE.

I'm glad to see that you're here to discuss this on the talk page instead of just reverting me without providing a justification in your own edit summaries. However, it's uncivil to suggest that I consider the article to be my "preschool sandbox" or my "own toy", and patently incorrect to suggest my removal was arbitrary when I provided my reasons clearly. Ligaturama (talk) 14:37, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, it's not a very good image, is it. It's a bit simplistic and amateurish. The upload page gives no indication of who drew it or when. It's most likely drawn from someone's imagination. It might belong at the Pest, Hungary article, where the floods are actually mentioned, except that there appear to be plenty of images there already. 205.239.40.3 (talk) 14:52, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think it need not be included here. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"- The image depicts an event that isn't mentioned in the article at all, which is contrary to MOS:PERTINENCE."

Around 90% of images can be removed by that ridiculous criteria. So this is not a real and rational reasoning.

" it's uncivil to suggest"

Sometimes, the only way to make certain individuals realize the truth is through sincere and blunt honesty.--Mandliners (talk) 11:10, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The truth is that the rationales presented for excluding the image are more real than those presented for including. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]